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Kansas City Monarchs: Comparison to Royal Greats

Before the Royals (or even the A's) were in Kansas City, the Negro League Kansas City Monarchs were thriving. They were considered the Yankees of the Negro Leagues with the team getting the best available players. I plan on looking at some of the players, managers, owners and teams for the Monarchs (yes I have RoyalRetro's permission to do history work). Today I will start off with a comparison of 3 Negro League people, a hitter, a pitcher and a manager and compare them to 3 Royals greats. Go ahead and try to guess the 3 Negro League greats.

 


G AB HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG OPS
George Brett 159 634 11 89 13 0.31 0.353 0.456 0.809
George Brett 159 645 7 67 21 0.33 0.377 0.462 0.839
George Brett 139 564 22 88 14 0.31 0.373 0.532 0.905
George Brett 128 510 9 62 23 0.29 0.342 0.467 0.809
George Brett 154 645 23 107 17 0.33 0.376 0.563 0.939
George Brett 117 449 24 118 15 0.39 0.454 0.664 1.118
George Brett 89 347 6 43 14 0.31 0.361 0.484 0.846
George Brett 144 552 21 82 6 0.3 0.378 0.505 0.884
George Brett 123 464 25 93 0 0.31 0.385 0.563 0.947
George Brett 104 377 13 69 0 0.28 0.344 0.459 0.802
George Brett 155 550 30 112 9 0.34 0.436 0.585 1.022










Negro Leaguer 37 145 0 6 8 0.297 0.327 0.441 0.768
Negro Leaguer 66 199 4 13 19 0.286 0.352 0.462 0.815
Negro Leaguer 62 200 13 33 15 0.390 0.458 0.695 1.153
Negro Leaguer 68 209 7 45 5 0.364 0.412 0.550 0.962
Negro Leaguer 60 195 5 51 8 0.395 0.437 0.590 1.026
Negro Leaguer 56 139 2 11 5 0.381 0.425 0.590 1.015
Negro Leaguer 57 147 1 8 2 0.306 0.388 0.422 0.809
Negro Leaguer 56 116 2 9 1 0.328 0.421 0.457 0.878
Negro Leaguer 64 201 3 22 5 0.348 0.395 0.512 0.907
Negro Leaguer 71 256 7 33 26 0.359 0.436 0.570 1.006
Negro Leaguer 29 107 0 5 5 0.299 0.383 0.355 0.738

 


W L ERA G GS CG IP BB/9 SO/9
Brett Saberhagen 10 11 3.48 38 18 2 157.2 2.1 4.2
Brett Saberhagen 20 6 2.87 32 32 10 235.1 1.5 6.0
Brett Saberhagen 7 12 4.15 30 25 4 156.0 1.7 6.5
Brett Saberhagen 18 10 3.36 33 33 15 257.0 1.9 5.7
Brett Saberhagen 14 16 3.80 35 35 9 260.2 2.0 5.9
Brett Saberhagen 23 6 2.16 36 35 12 262.1 1.5 6.6
Brett Saberhagen 5 9 3.27 20 20 5 135.0 1.9 5.8
Brett Saberhagen 13 8 3.07 28 28 7 196.1 2.1 6.2










Negro Leaguer 5 3 2.26 9 9 8 79.7 3.0 7.7
Negro Leaguer 12 8 2.24 22 20 20 181.0 2.8 5.1
Negro Leaguer 8 6 1.99 19 14 13 131.3 1.9 5.5
Negro Leaguer 16 10 2.85 33 23 19 239.7 2.8 5.5
Negro Leaguer 18 6 2.69 27 25 21 204.0 2.9 5.1
Negro Leaguer 17 2 2.31 24 18 17 171.3 1.3 5.4
Negro Leaguer 16 5 3.19 24 14 13 158.0 2.3 4.4
Negro Leaguer 13 7 2.30 27 14 13 144.7 1.8 6.3
Negro Leaguer 10 2 2.99 17 10 8 114.3 1.1 4.3

 


W L Percentage Won Conference Won Championship Series
Whitey Herzog 85 77 0.525 n/a n/a
Whitey Herzog 92 70 0.568 N n/a
Whitey Herzog 102 60 0.630 N n/a
Whitey Herzog 90 72 0.556 N n/a







W L Percentage Won Conference Won Championship Series
Negro Leaguer 56 19 0.747 N n/a
Negro Leaguer 36 18 0.667 n/a n/a
Negro Leaguer 50 29 0.633 n/a n/a
Negro Leaguer 62 17 0.785 Y N
Negro Leaguer 39 26 0.600 n/a n/a

 

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Answers to the 3 comparisons:

 

Hitter: "Bullet Joe" Rogan

Pitcher: "Bullet Joe" Rogan

Manager: "Bullet Joe" Rogan

 

http://www.nlbpa.com/Rogan_Bullett.jpg

 

"Bullet Joe" Rogan is possibly one of the greatest two way players to in baseball history.  He played for and managed the Monarchs in some fashion from 1920 to 1938 (several years the Monarchs weren't with a professional league due financial troubles of the team or the league). He was on the 1924 championship team and in 1998 he was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame by the Veteran's committee.

 

Charles Wilber Rogan was born on July 28th, 1893 in Oklahoma City Oklahoma. Many documents have his birth date as 1889 because his family change his birth date in order for him to dropout of high school and join the army. He moved to Kansas City after his mother died and his dad remarried and joined the Army in 1911 and stayed enlisted until 1919. While in the Army he served in the Philippines and played on several military base baseball teams.

 

In 1920 he joined the Monarchs and quickly became a league favorite. He batted right handed and mainly played in the outfield, but played all positions at sometime except catcher. He also threw right handed with a great fastball (source of his nickname "Bullet Joe") and good curve and control. He showed his versatility early on by being second in the league with 13 home runs in 1922. In 1923 he combined with Jose Mendez to throw a now hitter and lead the league with 16 wins and 151 strikeouts.

 

In 1926, he became the manager and led the team to a 62-17 record, the best ever in the league. He quit playing baseball in 1938 and stayed on as an umpire until 1946. After his retirement, he went to work for the post office in Kansas City and died in 1967 at the age of 73.

 

Bullet Joe won more games and had the fourth highest career batting average in Negro League history. Mr. Rogan was a great player in Kansas City baseball history and I hope to show you more players like him in the future.

 

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/img/hofers/plaques/plaque_492581.jpg

 

 

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Wow!

Awesome trick question there. I like it.

Everyone needs to go see the Negro Leagues museum, it is a very cool thing to have in KC.

Hopes fade once again from blue to red. Go New Chiefs!!

by kabrink on Aug 7, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

When super delayed gratification meets with underachieving veteran they laugh at the Royals, just a hypothesis though

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 7, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

Phase 1: Assemble expensive, below average players
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: CHAMPIONSHIP!
-RoyalsRetro

by ratherfantastic on Aug 7, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It made me

Like my monarchs jersey even more.

"red bull is amaZing" -Coco Crisp

by grantfunk on Aug 8, 2009 3:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Very cool

And I’d like more people to write about Royals history! I certainly don’t want to monopolize it. Kudos, great work!

Looking forward to the rest of the series. I admit I do not know as much about the Negro Leagues as I should.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 8, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the complements and I think next I will be trying to create a top 20 list.

I want to do more than the 11 that are in the Hall of Fame.

Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.

by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Aug 9, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post Jeff

Great way to showcase the brilliance of Rogan with the comparison to prominent Royals.

by hunter s. royal on Aug 10, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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