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Kevin Kouzmanoff and Mike Moustakas's Service Time

Silent running. (Photo by Ed Zurga/Getty Images)

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Silent running. (Photo by Ed Zurga/Getty Images)

The Royals signed Kevin Kouzmanoff to a minor league deal (that becomes a $1 million dollar contract if he's on the roster) earlier today, in the kind of typical Dayton Moore move that no one saw coming. I should say first that I like the move, though I'm not entirely sure how it is going to actually benefit the Royals barring a strange combination of events. So maybe I don't like it that much.

Here's what we know:

  • Kevin's struggles with the bat are firmly established. In 2011, with the Rockies and A's, he posted a cumulative .284 OBP. His career line in the majors is .255/.300/.420, though the bulk of that number has come in either San Diego or Oakland. There's a touch of power -- 23 homers in Petco in 2008 is no small feat -- and really not much else, which makes in him many ways a typical third-baseman of the old design. He showed some life in AAA last season (.302/.341/.550 in 272 PAs) which is only a mildly warmed comfort, but one that we'll take. (Weird fact, his slugging numbers have declined every year since 2007.)
  • He's very good defensively, though it is unclear how good. By baseball-reference WAR, he's been about a 1.5 win player, by fangraphs WAR, that number jumps to about 2.8 on average. A huge difference.
  • There's probably some scenario in which the Royals could use Kouzmanoff as a late game defensive sub for Moustakas, perhaps after Yuni has pinch-hit for him. (As Jeff pointed out this week, actually having Yuni hit for Moose is bizarre, but hey...) However, this is more maneuvering than I really seeing Yost employing often enough to generate any value. In Game Seven of the World Series, with the Royals up 3-1 in the 7th inning, I might like the idea of using Kouzmanoff as a defensive sub, but let's get to that bend in the river first.

Star-divide

So as a bench player that really never plays, Kouzmanoff wouldn't really be that exciting. He's better than Yuni, in so much as he can actually do one thing well, but it's basically a different version of that whole argument. As a baseball fan and wannabe analyst, I like thinking about depth and tactics and all that, but the reality is that isn't the way the game is managed, not regarding position players in an era of huge bullpens.

So the only other angle here, as Retro mentioned earlier today, is that Kouz is some kind of Moose insurance or Moose motivator. I'll add another: a scenario in which the Royals delayed Moose's service time clock at the start of 2012, using Kouzmanoff to do so.

Moose hit .263/.309/.367 last season, accumulating 111 days of service time in the process. If this were a computer simulation, I would 100% start Moose in AAA to begin the year. For one, I'm not sure he's actually earned a starting job in the Majors from a purely performance based standpoint. Two, the Royals have the incentive by the structure of MLB's CBA to delay and stagger his emergence as a regular player. Overwhelmingly, the chances are that whether Moose is a Royal on Opening Day or sometime in May this season won't alter his arbitration and free agency schedule, there's a case to be made that for insurance reasons the Royals should be conservative. If Moose breaks his arm and misses a year in Omaha, the Royals lose nothing, if he does so on a rainy night in Cleveland in April, he accumulates an entire year of Major League service time. Readers with an extremely good memory might note that I've made this argument before. While the big cutoff dates (Super 2, etc) get the most attention, the trajectory of players' careers is unpredictable. Look at Alex Gordon's ups and downs. Who is to say the Royals won't randomly demote Moose for three weeks in 2013? We just don't know.

And rounding back to the first thing we mentioned about Moustakas, he's far from a polished product.

Of course, none of this will happen. And perhaps, it shouldn't. The Royals have a human relationship with Moustakas, who is legitimately a major part of their future. They need to nurture him and make him feel like an integral part of the organization. Nickel and diming him (which would be the perception, if not the reality) by sending him back to AAA to start 2012 is likely not something that would be good for the relationship. Nor with their relationship with other players, or for their marketing position with the fans.

Nevertheless, Kouzmanoff gives the Royals the ability to do this thing that they would never do. Which I guess is fun.

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Comments

This isn't a bad signing, actually

Kouzmanoff can’t take a walk to save his life and I suspect the “advanced” metrics have somewhat overstated his ability in the field, but it’s a minor-league deal with no real risk so why not? They shouldn’t do it just to game Moustakas’ service time, but it’s justifiable on other terms. Moustakas should start the season in the big leagues, but despite the hot start, he really did struggle. I don’t believe in platooning young core players, but if you want to plan to give Moose his usual days off against lefties, Kouzmanoff could be helpful there. HE never walks and has some power, so who knows, maybe this is one possible outcome for Moose which is short of entertaining/scary.

If the team wants to keep Getz around and is willing to let play short in emergency situations, Kouzmanoff could round out the bench nicely. And having those two guys as your backup infielders prevents something really silly and pointless, like bringing back Yunkiesy Betancourt.

or worse, _Yuniesky_ Betancourt
I think I prefer Yunkiesy.
Either Was He's

Still Batter Nine You Sucky.

.
He never walks

Like that is any different than half of the rest of the team.

Moustakas and Kouzmanoff

a very byzantine hot corner

And a juicy positional battle for Greece's WBC team
Reminds me of the words of the immortal Socrates, who said:

“I drank what?”

nice reference.

….in fact, you might even call the Kouz signing a ‘moral imperative’

Yunkiesy sounds like something you'd get at Taco Bell
As An After

Effect.

Lovin the Kouz

I really like this signing. Give him a shot in Spring Training. If he doesn’t make it, nothing hurt. If he does, you have a guy who can give Mouse a day off and actually play some defense. He can also give Hosmer a day off at first against AL teams so Billy can still DH. It’ll be interesting to see if they go with 7 or 8 bullpen arms if Kouz makes the team. If they go with 8, Chris Getz is a minor leaguer again.

Is this the official end of Chris Getz

Who would you rather have on the bench? Kousmanoff or Getz?

This is gong to make it even harder for Yost to hang onto one of his favorities come April and may just push him to keep one less pitcher which would be a positive.

no way yuni, Getz, and kouz can all be on the roster
No, but the 3 of them would be sweet on a new sitcom on FX.

Kinda like It’s Always Sunny meets Justified.

Thunder Gun Express 2!

Go for it.

I don't mind if all, or any, of the three are on someone's roster, just not ours. And still we wait for the real issue to be addressed: starting pitching.
paulino will make 60 starts

he’s the #1 and #3 starter

Steve Hovley!

Oh. Never mind.

It's too bad the show only lasted three seasons...

In case you didn' know, the show is coming back for a nine

or ten episode mini-series leading up to a movie. Probably in 2013.

Can’t wait!!

Oswalt asking price

down to 9 mil for 1 year or less according to MLB Trade rumor-

Royals offer 2 years 15 mil- it upgrades the rotation and doesn’t weigh us down long term with too much risk

and he refuses to sign it....which he would do
Personally, I'd rather have Getz.

I think Getz offers more versatility, I think the bigger question mark is Giavotella, Getz can take a walk, has speed, and most importantly, hits left-handed.

That isn’t to say Kouz doesn’t have his advantages, but his defensive value at 3B does nothing for me, and I see that as his biggest asset.

Getz > Kouz

In Ron Polk Points

How does Getz offer more versatility when he can play exactly one position??

His noodle arm is barely good enough for 2B.

Well, he can play SS, technically.

But the bigger point is that I’m talking about offensively and defensively.

Really?

Then why has no MLB team ever actually tried him there given his decidedly SS bat?

Because he's not as good there.
Because he's completely unacceptable there
I still fail to see how a player who can only play one position and is a terrible hitter offers more versatility than another guy who is a better hitter and also plays one position.
Because Getz can play SS.
If he could, then why the hell would the Royals have paid $2M to #%^}{}£ Betancourt

to back up Escobar?

No, he clearly can't.

His arm is pathetic, there is no way in hell he has the arm to play an adequate shortstop…and as already mentioned, if he could play SS then DM wouldn’t have felt the need to specifically find someone who could backup Escobar. There’s a reason he’s only played 26 innings at SS in his career.

Sure, he can stand at the shortstop position, but that doesn’t mean he can play there.

You're getting away from the point.

Getz is by no means a utility man, but then again, neither is Yuni or Kouzmanoff. If I’m looking for a bench player, though, I’m going to prefer someone like Getz who can conceivably play other positions in the infield. And playing a solid 2B and being able to handle SS is pretty good. No, Getz doesn’t have a great arm, but that’s only going to hurt him when/if he makes a play in the hole. You can keep saying Getz can’t play SS all you want, and his defensive versatility is certainly not great, but we’re comparing him to Kouzmanoff.

Offensively, Kouzmanoff and Getz are two bad options. But, I still think Getz is better. He hits left-handed, can take a walk, and he will hit for a higher average. Kouzmanoff will hit for more extra bases, but he’s been on a steady decline the last couple of years. He was never very good to begin with, and when his power + avg started sliding, he became virtually worthless because his glove at 3B doesn’t justify him playing.

Keep arguing that Getz has a weak arm though. That, of course, means that Kouzmanoff is a better bench player. Sure, because having 2 third basemen is very desirable.

Well, Getz is so versatile that DM has brought in a guy specifically to back up both 2B and 3B now.

Just because you say Getz can handle SS doesn’t mean he can. His arm is clearly weak and that affects ALL plays at shortstop, not just ones in the hole.

I didn’t call Kouz more versatile. They are both equally versatile. They both can’t hit and both play one position and one position only.

Well I'm glad we can stop arguing now.
I don't Getz it

I have no reason to give for Getz staying if it comes down to him vs Kousmanoff.
Getz has no power, not great defence, not good off the bench, etc, etc, etc. (has speed, about it)
At least Kous has a really good glove, and even though his bat has been not happening the last couple of years, we know that he does have .275 season in his recent past.

Plus I’m sure that Getz would look great in a Chicago uniform again.

If you're trying to make a case for Getz, I think you succeeded.
If your'e trying to hide your mancrush on Getz, well..................
That doesn't make any sense.

You made a bad argument against Getz. Kouzmanoff has a .275 season in his recent past? Does recent mean 3 years ago? Apparently. All we can say about Kouzmanoff is that he plays third base well (we think), but hasn’t had a decent offensive season since 2009. That’s not a glowing evaluation.

But yeah, I have a mancrush on Getz because I think EVEN HE would be more useful off the bench than Kouzmanoff. A backup corner IF compared to a backup middle IF. My opinion is that Getz is a better bench option.

Ok, but...

Ok, you like Getz over Kous, I get it, but why? What has Getz done here? Jack squat…maybe not even that much.
I’m not all that crazy bout either, but…

Getz has no bat – No D – No clutch bat – Not a switch hitter – Already have Yuni to cover for Gia – Kous is insurance for Moose

Your’e right, that makes no sense.

Wow.

You just pointed out that Kouz is insurance for Moose. Thanks.

Will, you mentioned how the Royals are treating Moose as a human, perhaps hoping for reciprocity later on...

I’m sure you meant it, but you did not expressly mention the possible effect this has when dealing with Scott Boras in the case of Moose other clients. It certainly hasn’t been proved, but the Royals have had tremendous success with Boras clients as of late.

i dont know if id call it tremendous success....

they’ve paid market value for all of his guys. they seem to have a good working relationship with boras, which is nice. However, its not like he gave the royals a discount for chens services or anything like that

Right...

But we aren’t nickel and diming his clients when it comes to Super 2, which could provide an advantage when it comes to extending players through some free agency years. I’m not sure the Royals are intentionally doing this because I personally think Scott Boras has a reputation to uphold, and I don’t think he’s going to make any concessions because he doesn’t have to.

i think the relationship with the player is what matters...

and the not nickel and diming them might matter to them. boras is always going to advise them to wait for FA.

True.

I sometimes forget that Boras clients can think for themselves.

carlos gonzalez and jared weaver are recent examples....

they still got paid very very well though

Hu-man?
flesh and blood

a man

He's Only Human
Born to make mistakes......
we all burp and fart and that's the way God planned it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKhYoeC-X-Q

any chance that Sietzer can work his magic and get Kouz's bat working again

like he did with Frenchy

I guess it has to be possible
Even if Kouz revives his career

If he has more than 150 PAs with the Royals its probably a really bad thing.

"Probably", but what if

our offense is SO good, that we need to bring in Yuni, Kouz, and Mitch every game in the 6th inning so our starters don’t get worn out in all the 20-1 blowouts we rack up. What if?

When Kouzmanoff was with the padres

I thought he had upside. But now?

Isn't he 30 now?
30 is the new 28!

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